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Title: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Copperhead13 on February 17, 2011, 01:35:28 PM
 Imagine the value of your $35,000+ vehicle when the general public learns of this issue  :thumbdown:

Just to clarify; this would NOT BE A RECALL,
it would be LIFETIME COVERAGE of the timing chains - if they fail after 100,000 miles.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: FORUM GM on February 17, 2011, 01:40:32 PM
There is a Traverse member trying to do the same thing


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Jay T on February 18, 2011, 08:14:44 AM
I say No, And reason is...
Were talking about GM here!
Now think, do you honestly think you will get anywhere with a law suite unless you pay outta ur a$$ for a lawyer to rep suite?
Its GM, G.M. !
They are way too big to give timing chains any attention.
JMO!
But If anything, I would start a poll as to who has had issues, (lambda timing chains)
and get a huge gigantic list and submit.

Then they might do something about the repairs for people (us) goin forward if the voice is large enough, but as for a full file law suite, IMO waste of time and money.......

again JMO!!


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: khansen30 on February 18, 2011, 08:53:16 AM
No on the poll and here's why;  the life of the vehicle?  They will go out and I have replaced on vehicles that have had 70K plus miles.  Should they fix the problem on those that are going out too early?  Yes.  Are they?  Yes.  I have not read a rash of denied warranty coverage on this.  If they are fixing the problem, what is there to complain about.  Too sue happy in this country.  In my opinion.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: sixathome on February 18, 2011, 10:49:28 AM
Voted no.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: rbarrios on February 18, 2011, 11:41:31 AM
also voted no--- Khansens post- is what Im thinking.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Copperhead13 on February 18, 2011, 09:18:14 PM
I say No, And reason is...
Were talking about GM here!
Now think, do you honestly think you will get anywhere with a law suite unless you pay outta ur a$$ for a lawyer to rep suite?
Its GM, G.M. !
They are way too big to give timing chains any attention.
JMO!
But If anything, I would start a poll as to who has had issues, (lambda timing chains)
and get a huge gigantic list and submit.

Then they might do something about the repairs for people (us) goin forward if the voice is large enough, but as for a full file law suite, IMO waste of time and money.......

again JMO!!


If a suit is filed, it really doesn't matter what how big GM is, just matters what a court decides.
Believe me, they will care about timing chains when it's on their dime.



Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Silver09 on February 19, 2011, 10:20:40 AM
No on the poll and here's why;  the life of the vehicle?  They will go out and I have replaced on vehicles that have had 70K plus miles.  Should they fix the problem on those that are going out too early?  Yes.  Are they?  Yes.  I have not read a rash of denied warranty coverage on this.  If they are fixing the problem, what is there to complain about.  Too sue happy in this country.  In my opinion.

I voted no for the same reasons khansen expressed.  "Life of the vehicle" is way too long.  Some might argue that they should be proactive and have a recall to replace all of the "suspect" timing chains, but that's not as nice as some people might think.

First, what is the failure rate?  Is it 0.1% of the vehicles or 10%?  Makes a big difference in the cost of a recall and the value received (like it or not, a recall is in large part a business decision).

Second, what happens when the chain goes bad?  From what I am reading on this board, the engine doesn't get wiped out, so there is noting to be saved by making the repair before it "fails".

Third, why should GM inconvenience a large portion of it's customer base when only a small portion will be affected by this problem (kind of get back to the failure rate question above).  Your Acadia is not DOA when the problem surfaces, so people are still scheduling repairs and therefore there is no greater inconvenience to the owner by waiting for failure to make the repair.

Finally, and this is a biggie that no one ever thinks about, every time a GM dealer technician pulls an engine to replace a timing chain, it increases the probability that something else will go wrong as part of the repair.  I'm not knocking dealer techs, but every hose connection an wire connection that they have to disconnect and reconnect as part of the repair is another potential failure.  Every bolt they have to remove and reinstall is a bolt that can come loose.  If the vehicle has made it 10,000+ miles, any assembly issues there might have been have already cropped up.  Adding the chance for more assembly-related problems is not something that should be taken lightly.  GM probably has enough data that they know roughly what % of timing chain replacements will result in return trips to the dealer for new repair-related problems, so they have an idea what a recall would mean in terms of added customer dissatisfaction.

So..... a recall would cost GM a ton of money.  For that spend, they would not make life easier for any of their customer base, but they would inconvenience a lot of them, plus some would be further aggravated by a follow-up repair.  This makes a recall a bad idea.  As long as GM continues to honor the 5 year/100K power train warranty, I'm not too concerned.  It might be nice to bump that up specifically for timing chains on the affected product (maybe 7 year, 150K?), but do we really need a class-action suit for that?


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Copperhead13 on February 19, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
I think you're missing the point of a class action suit.
It is to cover chains that fail, not replace ALL the timing chains,
again ONLY IF THEY FAIL after warranty.

As happened with my honda element; there was a class action suit
for the windshields, a very common issue.
The class action forced honda to replace and or reimburse money spent to fix
cracked windshields.

The class action suit against GM would not force a recall, it would just force GM to cover timing chain replacement AFTER
the warranty coverage.  There would be no recall nor any inconvenience to costumers.
You would just NOT have to pay out of pocket when your warranty is over.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: FORUM GM on February 19, 2011, 11:49:43 AM
I'm on your side with this Copperhead, but how many owner's have had failures after warranty?  Not many; I could see this being important if chains were failing after warranty, but the numbers don't support this. 


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Silver09 on February 19, 2011, 10:07:53 PM
I recognize a class action suit doesn't necessarily mean a recall, I just got on a roll ;D

So far it sounds like the chains that are failing are being covered under warranty, and there are several years left before the warranty expires (for 2009's anyway).  I just don't know that a class action suit is justified at this time.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: khansen30 on February 19, 2011, 10:57:32 PM
So then by the logic of "after the warranty expires" you will need to do one for water pumps (as many of those of failed way too early), burnt wiring on headlights, and the list goes on.

That's why there is a warranty and it expires at 100k or 5 years.  How many have failed because the owner didn't change the oil?  Too many factors, and once again, over time parts are going to fail.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: FORUM GM on March 11, 2011, 11:07:48 AM
Looks like an even vote on this issue; I just don't think you'll get enough people together to make this happen  :shrug:


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Sailfish on March 11, 2011, 02:47:59 PM
Class action suits only benefit the attorney's never the ones filing the suit.  I mentioned elsewhere husband was involved in a class action suit that took several years to settle and the check receive not too long ago....$4.10.  Big woop!


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Copperhead13 on March 11, 2011, 07:45:47 PM
Class action suits only benefit the attorney's never the ones filing the suit.  I mentioned elsewhere husband was involved in a class action suit that took several years to settle and the check receive not too long ago....$4.10.  Big woop!

A class action helped immensely with all of us who owned honda elements.
honda would not replace windshields ($700) which kept cracking in the lower corners.
eventually though a class action was filed due to thousands of windshield cracking.  honda insisted it was due to road debis hitting windows (BS)!
turned out honda had a design flaw in the frames causing it.
saved all of us multiple windshield replacements.  some owners had to be reimbursed for 3 windshields.

I only needed two replaced.

They do work when there is just cause.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Sailfish on March 11, 2011, 07:58:22 PM
A class action helped immensely with all of us who owned honda elements.
honda would not replace windshields ($700) which kept cracking in the lower corners.
eventually though a class action was filed due to thousands of windshield cracking.  honda insisted it was due to road debis hitting windows (BS)!
turned out honda had a design flaw in the frames causing it.
saved all of us multiple windshield replacements.  some owners had to be reimbursed for 3 windshields.

I only needed two replaced.

They do work when there is just cause.

I neglected to add that if it is a safety concern and this is addressed through class action suits that that is great but if those who filed only were in it thinking they would get some "big bucks" that is very slim.

Thanks for enlightening me on your issue. 


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: khansen30 on March 11, 2011, 10:04:15 PM
A class action helped immensely with all of us who owned honda elements.
honda would not replace windshields ($700) which kept cracking in the lower corners.
eventually though a class action was filed due to thousands of windshield cracking.  honda insisted it was due to road debis hitting windows (BS)!
turned out honda had a design flaw in the frames causing it.
saved all of us multiple windshield replacements.  some owners had to be reimbursed for 3 windshields.

I only needed two replaced.

They do work when there is just cause.

But are people having to have them (timing chains) replaced multiple times on the same vehicle? 


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Copperhead13 on March 11, 2011, 11:02:44 PM
But are people having to have them (timing chains) replaced multiple times on the same vehicle? 

Sailfish had her's done at 30,000 miles with 3,000 mile oil changes.
Who knows if she would have needed another at 60,000 miles.
GM has done NOTHING to rectify the situation - and if anything they
have "swept it under the rug" by reprogramming the ECM to delay the
CEL warning from coming on during early/mild chain stretching.  They
are hoping the CEL will come AFTER 5 years/100,000 miles.

 


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Sailfish on March 12, 2011, 12:27:15 AM
Sailfish had her's done at 30,000 miles with 3,000 mile oil changes.
Who knows if she would have needed another at 60,000 miles.
GM has done NOTHING to rectify the situation - and if anything they
have "swept it under the rug" by reprogramming the ECM to delay the
CEL warning from coming on during early/mild chain stretching.  They
are hoping the CEL will come AFTER 5 years/100,000 miles.

True unless they modified the timing chain there would still be a chance on it stretching again down the road.  It does not seem to make a difference whether you change the oil at 3000 mile intervals or wait until the OLM tells you there will still be failures in the timing chains on these 3.6 engines.

Sure I now have a 2011 Enclave with the 3.6DI but what is to guarantee that I won't have a problem with this as well.  Let me in on a secret if it does happen I think my husband will divorce me because he was shaking his head when I wanted to stay with the lambda's.

The big difference in my case, as from what I did before, is I will purchase my own oil and oil filter and I will either have Reichard or my mechanic Ted do the oil changes.  I will keep, as I have always done in the past, all the records of any work within a file as a precaution.

I will also make a notation weekly and place in the same file as to what the oil level when checked.

Like I said the usual plan was to keep the Outlook for 8-10 years and that didn't happen.  So now back to square one and this one...better darn well last at least 8 years.





Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: FORUM GM on March 12, 2011, 12:55:57 AM
But are people having to have them (timing chains) replaced multiple times on the same vehicle?

Nope and since they are being changed on GM's dime, I don't see this lawsuit going anywhere


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: bigmoe07 on April 04, 2011, 05:18:53 AM
I voted no!!!


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: caveat_emptor on June 17, 2011, 01:54:14 PM
i will vote YES...

i remember when i have HONDA rvf motorcycle... it has a timing chain... they call it bullet proof engine... unfortunately the stopped production..its not because timing chain has a weak life but its too expensive for them to build an engine with timing chain....

the timing chain should last more than 20 years im guessing....

Honda Rvf  and VFR Race / Sports bike has been in the market more than 15 years and never heard a problem about timing chain...

i dont know but to me timing chain is better than timing belt


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: andyw715 on June 17, 2011, 02:02:46 PM
How many out of warranty chains have been replaced?

The coolant/manifold gasket problem GM had(has) with the new orange coolant resulted in a lawsuit that paid much of the out-of warranty cost (I recevied 3 "awards").
But there has to be a volume of out of warranty work to be done before a lawsuit is organized...


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Copperhead13 on June 17, 2011, 02:24:37 PM
This is still a little early, as most lambdas don't have 100,000+ miles.
We wont really see these issues till 2012 -2014, when the powertrain warranties start
expiring in any kind of numbers.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Coastal44 on June 23, 2011, 04:15:07 PM
Has there been any timing chain issues with the 2010 models?


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: rbarrios on June 23, 2011, 04:17:48 PM
none that I have seen posted on the lambda forums.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: mikemu on June 23, 2011, 04:33:28 PM
2009 model year hit the lottery with the chains.  Most others seem to be isolated.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: khansen30 on June 23, 2011, 08:06:16 PM
2009, 31K, no issues.  Late 08 build date.  Oil changed every 5 to 6k.  Just changed today, the old was a nice rich golden color.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Murdock on June 24, 2011, 01:05:32 AM
Are you losing any oil during your 6000 mile oil change intervals?


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: MA Acadia on June 24, 2011, 06:25:04 AM
Has there been any timing chain issues with the 2010 models?

I have not seen any yet, seems like they fixed the problems for model year 2010 before production.   :thumb:


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: khansen30 on June 24, 2011, 06:50:53 AM
Are you losing any oil during your 6000 mile oil change intervals?


nope


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Copperhead13 on June 24, 2011, 08:47:58 AM
I have not seen any yet, seems like they fixed the problems for model year 2010 before production.   :thumb:

A little early to tell on the 2010's.

Plus don't forget, you have the new programming for holding off on the
illumination of the CEL and throwing codes.

This problem may just be "masked".


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: binaryspiral on August 08, 2011, 11:09:55 PM
A little early to tell on the 2010's.

Plus don't forget, you have the new programming for holding off on the
illumination of the CEL and throwing codes.

This problem may just be "masked".

This is true - but if it truly is a chain failure that is being masked it will fail and I hope they post here. Otherwise, the updated code just brings back some sanity to the cam timing tolerances, and I'm perfectly fine with that. I'd rather have sane tolerances than a GM dealer tear the front half of my Acadia apart and put it back together. I'd be trading it in very soon after when something that major is disassembled - so many possible problems down the road.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: salguod on August 09, 2011, 12:49:35 PM
A little early to tell on the 2010's.

Plus don't forget, you have the new programming for holding off on the
illumination of the CEL and throwing codes.

This problem may just be "masked".

No one knows if this hides a real problem or if they are recalibrating a spec that was too tight.  It may be that most of the chains that have been replaced would have run a good long time with no problems, other than the CEL being on.  GM engineers may have determined that there is no problem here at all, it's just a false alarm.  New programming would prevent these premature chain replacements that inconvenience the customer, expose the vehicle to the possibility of new issues simply due to the number of things that need to be removed to get at the chains and cost GM a lot of money.

The conspiracy theorists in us want to believe that GM is hosing the customer, but I haven't seen any actual evidence to suggest that.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: FORUM GM on August 09, 2011, 01:05:41 PM
No one knows if this hides a real problem or if they are recalibrating a spec that was too tight.  It may be that most of the chains that have been replaced would have run a good long time with no problems, other than the CEL being on.  GM engineers may have determined that there is no problem here at all, it's just a false alarm.  New programming would prevent these premature chain replacements that inconvenience the customer, expose the vehicle to the possibility of new issues simply due to the number of things that need to be removed to get at the chains and cost GM a lot of money.

The conspiracy theorists in us want to believe that GM is hosing the customer, but I haven't seen any actual evidence to suggest that.

Good point; has anyone actually experienced a broken chain  :shrug:  Not that I know of


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: eric11ltz on August 10, 2011, 09:18:18 AM
No but there has been cases where they've updated the tolerances within the computer and soon after still had to have the chains replaced (decreased vehicle performance plus codes thrown). So I'm doubting this has to do with tolerances that are excessive.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: GerryL on August 10, 2011, 09:58:40 AM
No one knows if this hides a real problem or if they are recalibrating a spec that was too tight.  It may be that most of the chains that have been replaced would have run a good long time with no problems, other than the CEL being on.  GM engineers may have determined that there is no problem here at all, it's just a false alarm.  New programming would prevent these premature chain replacements that inconvenience the customer, expose the vehicle to the possibility of new issues simply due to the number of things that need to be removed to get at the chains and cost GM a lot of money.

The conspiracy theorists in us want to believe that GM is hosing the customer, but I haven't seen any actual evidence to suggest that.

This is certainly about far more than an academic calibration of specs or even falling out of emissions range.  There may not have been any actual histories of broken chains but there have been several of degraded performance.  As things go, that is simply a lucky turn that the failure mode provides some warning.  We should all be happy that the first sign isn't a broken chain.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: binaryspiral on August 15, 2011, 12:28:40 AM
Don't forget gm also redesigned the chains, going with a double roller chain on newer models and replacements - if I read that right.   :shrug: If that's true then they defaut to admission of the problem.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Zig on August 15, 2011, 11:49:34 AM
I voted yes, emphatically.  For those of you who haven't had this problem occur and voted "no", I hope you have better luck.

I had a timing chain snap in my 2005 CTS with the 3.6 at around 62,000 miles...out of warranty for that year.  It was kind enough to allow the pistons to meet the valves, so the heads were shot as well.  The total repair bill came to over $5k.  To be fair, GM did cover the bulk of the cost for the replacement, but I was still left with a $1,000 repair bill for something that should never, EVER fail at 60,000 miles.  That's the whole point of using a timing chain instead of a timing belt. 

For those interested, I've run Mobil 1 for the life of the vehicle (came standard in it) and never let the OLM drop below 15% before I'd changed it.  By the end (just before the failure) it was consuming 1 qt / 1000-1500 miles, and I was told that this was "acceptable" by the dealer.  Fortunately I had that on record.  When they took the engine apart, it was sludge-free according to the tech.

Now I've got the Acadia with the 3.6, and to say I'm nervous about that particular aspect of the engine would be an understatement.  If there's even a chance that GM would extend the warranty on this portion of the engine, even if it's for an addition 50,000 miles, it would be worth the fight.  As the saying goes, "You'll understand when it happens to you..."


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: DSNY FN on July 19, 2012, 02:38:15 PM
I had mine changed in my 09 with under 40K kilometers and I still voted no.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: MRSG on August 01, 2016, 02:25:34 PM
My 2011 GMC Acadia needs a new timing chain and it only has 65,000 miles on it. Is there anyone still interested in filing a class action lawsuit against GM?


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Speleos on August 01, 2016, 03:03:28 PM
... Are their people still interested in filing a class action lawsuit against GM?

I don't think "their" people are interested at all.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: rbarrios on August 01, 2016, 03:08:19 PM
I get snail mail all the time on the Traverse... from ambulance chasing law firms.... on issues with the vehicle.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Paul K. on August 01, 2016, 09:10:09 PM
Question: Did you buy your vehicle new and/or have a record of oil changes?


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Speleos on August 01, 2016, 09:40:46 PM
Question: Did you buy your vehicle new and/or have a record of oil changes?

:readthread: Stick to the topic at hand.  There are other threads for that discussion.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: jenncorey on August 02, 2016, 01:13:17 PM
First time post -- so apologies if I get something wrong.

I have a 2010 Acadia, currently 110K in miles as of July 2016.  I had the timing chain replaced in January 2015 (was under 100K miles) and the dealership stated if I got oil changes every 3K miles, I would have no more issues.  We did that and have the records.

It is now 19 months later and I need to get the timing chain replaced again.  I have talked to the dealership and I have talked to the global warranty "customer service" and they say it is my responsibility.

I can't fathom how this is my responsibility and that they aren't taking any responsibility for this.  How is replacing your timing chain 2x in 2 years acceptable?

Advice appreciated -- Jen


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Speleos on August 02, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
Advice appreciated -- Jen

Talk to a consumer protection lawyer and follow their advice.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Paul K. on August 03, 2016, 03:09:18 AM
:readthread: Stick to the topic at hand.  There are other threads for that discussion.

Perhaps you should read the thread. Directly related to the topic.

If he has no maintenance records then he has no case. I have given more than a few expert testimonies in lemon law cases.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Speleos on August 03, 2016, 07:11:34 AM
Perhaps you should read the thread. Directly related to the topic.

"Do you think it is worth filing a class action suit to cover timing chains for the life of the vehicle?"

This is what the thread is about, SA. Previous discussions all center on the class action topic. It's not about some individual's plight.

FYI, I read the thread in its entirety from the day it started, on the day it started.  ;D


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: MRSG on August 04, 2016, 07:43:33 PM
:readthread: Stick to the topic at hand.  There are other threads for that discussion.
I purchased it new in 2011 I had to repair a leak for the power steering last August that cost me $2700. Now this, enough is enough, and I keep getting nowhere with customer service. :angryfire:


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: MRSG on August 04, 2016, 07:45:19 PM
I'm on your side with this Copperhead, but how many owner's have had failures after warranty?  Not many; I could see this being important if chains were failing after warranty, but the numbers don't support this. 
Me :angryfire:


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: MRSG on August 04, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
 :)
I don't think "their" people are interested at all.  ;D ;D ;D
  oops. lol :thumb:


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: divotdug on August 04, 2016, 08:33:01 PM
I purchased it new in 2011 I had to repair a leak for the power steering last August that cost me $2700. Now this, enough is enough, and I keep getting nowhere with customer service. :angryfire:

Sound like your power train warranty has expired.   What would you have customer service do for you?


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: bohica57 on February 16, 2017, 11:58:52 PM
I am the traverse owner that has started the class action lawsuit.  This is my letter on all the forumns:

Class action lawsuit against GM for defective engines.  Send info to ejmoschini@hotmail.com to be added as a claimant.  600+ of the same problem with the standard answer from every dealer service department "dirty oil", proves GM knows of the problems and instructed dealers to give this ridiculous answer to everyone.  The real problem = The oil injection ports are too small.  Now, 2 years after the timing chain replacements, I personally (as have 100+ other owners) have developed an oil leak at the timing chain cover.  GM service center answer = fluctuations in the weather from hot to cold.  BS!! This is a humongous problem for GM and instead of owning up to it, they're trying to cover it all up.  No way that everyone is experiencing the same problem(s) all over the country in Traverse, Equinox, Acadia and Outlook.

There is no cost obligation on your part at all.

Put Class Action in the subject line to avoid being put in my spam folder.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: bohica57 on February 17, 2017, 12:35:44 AM
My 2011 GMC Acadia needs a new timing chain and it only has 65,000 miles on it. Is there anyone still interested in filing a class action lawsuit against GM?

Already started:

Class action lawsuit against GM for defective engines.  Send info to ejmoschini@hotmail.com to be added as a claimant.  600+ of the same problem with the standard answer from every dealer service department "dirty oil", proves GM knows of the problems and instructed dealers to give this ridiculous answer to everyone.  The real problem = The oil injection ports are too small.  Now, 2 years after the timing chain replacements, I personally (as have 100+ other owners) have developed an oil leak at the timing chain cover.  GM service center answer = fluctuations in the weather from hot to cold.  BS!! This is a humongous problem for GM and instead of owning up to it, they're trying to cover it all up.  No way that everyone is experiencing the same problem(s) all over the country in Traverse, Equinox, Acadia and Outlook.

There is no cost obligation on your part at all.

Put Class Action in the subject line to avoid being put in my spam folder.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: whipster on February 17, 2017, 07:25:36 AM
spam



Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Speleos on February 17, 2017, 08:10:21 AM
Is it  :spam: , or merely a phishing trip?  :shrug:


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: bohica57 on February 17, 2017, 10:30:45 AM
Perhaps you should read the thread. Directly related to the topic.

If he has no maintenance records then he has no case. I have given more than a few expert testimonies in lemon law cases.

I have all the records of oil changes from the first up until now.  It is not because of dirty oil, the  oil injection ports are too small.  You're here to tell me that the same engine on several different platforms all failed because of dirty oil?  Seriously? Not even possible.  It happens before and after warranty coverage and the dealers will not replace the chains before warranty expires on their own dime.  They put it all on the consumer's back. 


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: bohica57 on February 17, 2017, 10:33:52 AM
Is it  :spam: , or merely a phishing trip?  :shrug:

It's real, not a spam, phishing or anything else.  The motors from 2006-? are defective.  Why else would they all be failing in and out of warranty for the exact same problem?  Dirty oil - I personally know young people who have never changed the oil in their vehicles and have over 150k miles with no issues like most of us are having with these GM vehicles. 


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: divotdug on February 17, 2017, 10:52:42 AM
It's real, not a spam, phishing or anything else.  The motors from 2006-? are defective.  Why else would they all be failing in and out of warranty for the exact same problem?  Dirty oil - I personally know young people who have never changed the oil in their vehicles and have over 150k miles with no issues like most of us are having with these GM vehicles. 

First, they are not ALL failing.   
Second, I seriously doubt, young or old, you know someone that has went 150k miles without ever changing the oil.
Third, if you want people to respond to you then use a real email address instead of a disposable hotmail address.   Only the naive will take one of those seriously.
Fourth, who do you plan to sue regarding the 2006-2009 engines?   That company no longer exists and the new company was absolved of product liability issues.


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: GeoHawk on February 17, 2017, 11:00:48 AM
First, they are not ALL failing.   
Second, I seriously doubt, young or old, you know someone that has went 150k miles without ever changing the oil.

 ;D Never had a timing chain problem with mine, but I changed my oil regularly.

Yeah, 150K miles without an oil change?  Not happening.  One of my sisters had two Lexus ES's (Lexi?  ;) ) that each ended up needing new motors, at almost the same time.  Why?  They never changed the oil!  She thought, "Well, its a Lexus/Toyota.  They are so dependable they don't need the oil changed."  :o


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: Speleos on February 17, 2017, 11:31:32 AM
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Second, I seriously doubt, young or old, you know someone that has went 150k miles without ever changing the oil.
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He might not, but I have. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. (And a story too long for this thread.)  ;D ;D

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Fourth, who do you plan to sue regarding the 2006-2009 engines?   That company no longer exists and the new company was absolved of product liability issues.

This is a really good question since the engine is one of those 'global' designs. Will the suit include Holden, Suzuki, and others?


Title: Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains
Post by: bohica57 on February 17, 2017, 05:11:30 PM
First, they are not ALL failing.   
Second, I seriously doubt, young or old, you know someone that has went 150k miles without ever changing the oil.
Third, if you want people to respond to you then use a real email address instead of a disposable hotmail address.   Only the naive will take one of those seriously.
Fourth, who do you plan to sue regarding the 2006-2009 engines?   That company no longer exists and the new company was absolved of product liability issues.

Yes I do know people, young and old that have gone 150k miles without ever changing oil, just adding whenever they decided to check.  Chains have failed before and after warranties no matter what oil change routine was followed.  I use that hotmail address because i do not want emails coming through my business email address and dropping into a spam box or getting automatically deleted.  I have responded to all of the people that have emailed me and asked their permission to have an attorney contact them.  All have said yes, and by the way, there were even hotmail addresses in addition to several gmail addresses.

That is my full name, it's not a disposable email address, and I have had it for well over 10 years. 

The problem is still going on.  I bought my vehicle in 2010 from GM, I did not purchase the vehicle and then shop for an engine.  Whether or not the engine manufacturer is still in business or not is not a concern.  I already went down that road when I did my investigations and asked the same questions.  After speaking with a law firm and the attorney, GM is still culpable regardless of the product liabilities (absolved) of the engine manufacturer(s).  That will all come out as well.  I went round and round with GM when I first had the issue.  I own a Traverse, and like every vehicle I have ever owned, I take meticulous care of it, front to back, top to bottom.  It is not a normal situation for timing chains to stretch out due to dirty oil.  Before all the quick change oil stores open, most people had no clue when to change their oil and we were not replacing timing chains as is the situation with these vehicles. 

If you have no problem, consider yourself lucky.  The rest of us have the problems and there is no guarantee that it will not happen again.  I even asked the question when my own chains were replaced, and the service center manager only said, "it shouldn't".  From what I have read on all the forums with these engines, the problem is ongoing and keeps occurring.