Toyota quality slipping? - GMC Acadia Forum: AcadiaForum.net
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-19-2007, 12:41 PM Thread Starter
Acadia Freak
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,033
Toyota quality slipping?

This is an excerpt from an article that I just read. Toyota builds very good products, but is not infallable. BMW, Mercedes have also been having some big problems.[/color]
"So much for Toyota's vaunted reputation for quality. On July 18, the Japanese auto giant announced a recall of 418,570 vehicles worldwide for faulty engine parts. This follows an even larger global recall of nearly one million cars and trucks at the end of May for faulty parts that could cause drivers to lose control of the steering wheel.

The current recall affects about 150,000 cars sold outside of Japan, mainly in the U.S. and Canada, though no accidents have been reported due to the faulty engine component that could lead to oil leakage. In the U.S. more than 34,000 cars were recalled, including 26,200 Echo and 8,500 Prius models. While Toyota (TM) is no stranger to recalls—in May 2005 it recalled more than 750,000 pickup trucks and every single 2006 Toyota model line from the Avalon to the Tundra has experienced some form of recall—this latest round may finally dent its Teflon image if steps aren't taken to improve quality."

big bear craig is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-19-2007, 12:43 PM
Full Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 190
Re: Toyota quality slipping?

Interesting, I posted on "They All Have Problems" about a similar article I read in Busness Week this morning.

Red Jewel SLT-1, Ebony leather, 19" wheels, 8 passenger, DVD/Bose, purchased 5/29/07
ewillie1 is offline  
post #3 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-19-2007, 09:48 PM
New Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 36
Re: Toyota quality slipping?

Guess I'm entitled to weigh in on this one, we'll call it a survey of one: Bought an '05 4Runner V8 Sport Edition [Yamaha suspension] 9/04. It is my 1st import ever, because I got real p.o.'ed over domestic residual values. The 4R just turned 70K.

After much thought, I came up with something to gripe about: occasionally the sunroof - which I rarely use - will make a wierd noise while closing. That's it. Not one burned bulb, no wiper replacement, ****, I can't even put brake pads on the front, as they show almost no wear. I do take care of my stuff, but use it kinda hard too - 2K per month, & I'm off-road a lot, as I develop real estate.

I have been running a little experiment with gas mileage on the last four tanks, and driving super conservative. I keep it to 60 on the freeways, & accelerate moderately. 23 MPG. Makes our lovely Acadia quite jealous! 4R is stock, except a K&N, and runs on Mobil 1.

Ordered: May 3rd, Delivered June 9th<br />2007 SLT-2 AWD 8 Passenger, Gold Mist / Ebony.<br />HUD, HID, Cargo Audio.<br />Projected Delivery Date: 12 June 2007<br /><br />Other: 2005 Toyota 4Runner Sport AWD VVTi 4.7
extex is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-19-2007, 10:44 PM Thread Starter
Acadia Freak
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,033
Re: Toyota quality slipping?

I have a Toyota Tundra that I'm very happy with. I've only had one minor problem so far, but there is a recall to replace the front ball joints and something else which I cannot remember. Toyota makes a very good product, just not perfect and no one else's is either.
big bear craig is offline  
post #5 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-20-2007, 08:08 AM
Sr. Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 458
Re: Toyota quality slipping?

Toyota and Honda typically make very decent products. Every car manufacturer has lemons though. The problem that I have with Toyota and Honda is that their products are very bland. I'm not one to be flashy and drive a Cadillac Escalade, but I do want to drive something that does stick out a bit between all the Camrys and Accords.
fenwah is offline  
post #6 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-20-2007, 08:35 AM
Jr. Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 98
Re: Toyota quality slipping?

Toyota chases Tundra camshaft failures

Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
May 28, 2007 - 1:00 am


LOS ANGELES -- A batch of camshaft failures in 5.7-liter V-8 engines has dinged the launch of the Toyota Tundra pickup.

Camshafts in 20 engines have snapped, says Toyota spokesman Mike Michels. The outside camshaft supplier, which Toyota declined to identify, has traced the problem to "a metallurgical defect in the casting, a flaw in the metal which they have corrected," he says.

To date, Toyota has built 30,000 of the engines, and the company is determining how many might be affected. Michels says that it was "an early batch," and that "Toyota is confident in the production from that point on."

A camshaft is a spinning rod that opens the engine's intake and exhaust valves in sequence. Toyota's camshafts are designed to avoid collateral damage if they snap.

Toyota rushed the 5.7-liter engine into production in time for the Tundra's February launch. The 5.7-liter initially was scheduled to arrive this summer. But Toyota dealers and product planners told the manufacturing arm that the Tundra needed the big V-8 at launch because the 4.7-liter V-8 would not make a strong enough statement.

The 5.7-liter represents more than 70 percent of the engine mix.

Toyota's top executives repeatedly have stated their concern that Toyota is growing too quickly to keep quality at past high levels.

Toyota likely will not test each camshaft to see if it is prone to failure. Rather, customers whose camshafts fail will have their entire engines replaced.

One Toyota dealer service technician who declined to be identified says Toyota asked him to ship overnight a defective engine to its V-8 engine plant in Alabama.

"The guy was towing a small trailer, not under full load," the technician says. "Other folks have been towing 10,000 pounds with no problem."



************************ This was the Toyota Plant built and opened the same time Lansing Delta Township was built and opened. OH- and by the way Toyota had to recall more cars than it built in 2006.

The postings/recordings on this site are my own, and don’t necessarily represent the positions, strategies or opinions of GM.”
don willems is offline  
post #7 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-20-2007, 10:05 AM Thread Starter
Acadia Freak
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,033
Re: Toyota quality slipping?

I think this article illustrates how fast a few bad parts can affect thousands of manufactured vehicles before the problem even surfaces at the consumer level. We have not seen anything major in the (to my knowledge) Acadia so far, but smaller problems that need to be worked out have developed. This has always been the case with a new model launch for any manufacture, but because of the internet and fast traveling news we are all more aware of this than in the past. Toyota has always had issues like this but is very good about getting the problems corrected and delivering a quality product to the public. American manufactures also have these same startup problems, but in the past did a much poorer job getting these issues resolved than some of it's competetors. I think GM is working very hard on the Lambda platform and other new models to have a real quality product. Time will tell.

Mercedes and BMW have been plagued with both mechanical and electrical issues on some of their models for the past few years and a lot of their customers have been very disappointed in these products. This does not mean that all their products have defects or are bad, but just a lot more than in the past. According to one BMW magazine, the life expectancy of some 5 series and 7 series engines and transmissions is under 100,000 miles. This article also stated this was not a select few, but was quite common. Most of the major problems for BMW's don't happen to the first owner but to the second owner due to so many cars being leased with mileage restrictions and being turned back in before this mileage occurs. The second owner probably assumes the car was not properly taken care of by the first owner, but that is just a guess. The cost to repair the affected cars is about $10,000. This magazine which is devoted to BMW and yet states that potential buyers must be very cautious about buying these cars on the used market because of the cost of ownership and might want to rethink the purchase of these models.
big bear craig is offline  
post #8 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-26-2007, 06:42 PM
Hero Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 886
Re: Toyota quality slipping?

like i said before every company have quality issues and design flaws, its how manufacturers and dealership address the severity and frequency of these issues that counts the most, its just so happen that Honda,Toyota,Nissan, BMW and most foreign automakers have excellent customers technical support compared to their American counterparts.... and most of these cases are solve the very first time you bring your vehicle for repair to the dealership --- thats the reason they always have a positive feedback in long term vehicle testing and consumer reports and maintain their resale value much higher than any domestic product. their quality and reliability just keeps on improving. the only downside for Toyota right now is their bland generic design......

2005 Mitsubishi Lancer EVolution <br /><br />[size=8pt]Full Option SLT-2 AWD CARBON BLACK METALLIC w/ Brick Red interior, Captains chair minus Nav and Sunroof[/size]
SioXie is offline  
post #9 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-28-2007, 04:59 AM
Full Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 193
Re: Toyota quality slipping?

Toyota and Honda's bullet proof reliability is a myth. They have major problems too, as evident in this link: http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/forumdisplay/f-14.html . Seems the Pilot is a bit of a lemon...never had these types of major problems (read TRANSMISSION FAILURES) on any of my American cars...
gig229 is offline  
post #10 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-28-2007, 03:13 PM
Jr. Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 98
Re: Toyota quality slipping?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SioXie
their quality and reliability just keeps on improving. the only downside for Toyota right now is their bland generic design......
Actually Toyota quality is stagnating as GM is going up.

Consumer Reports, the publication of Consumer’s Union, has long been accused of a bias toward imported cars, particularly those made by Japanese brand manufacturers, and against anything built by a Detroit automaker. The bias hasn’t changed. Apparently, it’s intentional and institutional.

The current issue of Consumer Reports purports to offer a comparison test of the new Toyota Tundra pick-up truck and the Chevy Silverado, as well as the Dodge Ram and Ford F-150.

So, you’d expect them to get comparable vehicles, wouldn’t you?

Apparently not if you’re the people at Consumer Reports. They pitted the Tundra with the optional 5.7 liter V-8 against the Chevy with the standard 5.3 liter engine, producing 66 hp less than the Tundra. They could have used the 6.0 liter optional Vortec V-9 MAX which is more closely comparable to the optional Toyota engine, but they chose not to.

They also pitted a Tundra with a 4.30 axle ratio against the Silverado with a 3.73 ratio, then gave the Tundra praise for having better acceleration. But the Silverado offers a 4.10 axle ratio as a no charge customer selection. Not only that, but they predicted that Toyota’s Tundra would have an above average frequency of repair rating. The Silverado? Too new to classify.

The Toyota won the test.

Surprise.

It’s sorta like a boxing match were one of the competitors has his hands tied.

Toyota chases Tundra camshaft failures

Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
May 28, 2007 - 1:00 am


LOS ANGELES -- A batch of camshaft failures in 5.7-liter V-8 engines has dinged the launch of the Toyota Tundra pickup.

Camshafts in 20 engines have snapped, says Toyota spokesman Mike Michels. The outside camshaft supplier, which Toyota declined to identify, has traced the problem to "a metallurgical defect in the casting, a flaw in the metal which they have corrected," he says.

To date, Toyota has built 30,000 of the engines, and the company is determining how many might be affected. Michels says that it was "an early batch," and that "Toyota is confident in the production from that point on."

A camshaft is a spinning rod that opens the engine's intake and exhaust valves in sequence. Toyota's camshafts are designed to avoid collateral damage if they snap.

Toyota rushed the 5.7-liter engine into production in time for the Tundra's February launch. The 5.7-liter initially was scheduled to arrive this summer. But Toyota dealers and product planners told the manufacturing arm that the Tundra needed the big V-8 at launch because the 4.7-liter V-8 would not make a strong enough statement.

The 5.7-liter represents more than 70 percent of the engine mix.

Toyota's top executives repeatedly have stated their concern that Toyota is growing too quickly to keep quality at past high levels.

Toyota likely will not test each camshaft to see if it is prone to failure. Rather, customers whose camshafts fail will have their entire engines replaced.

One Toyota dealer service technician who declined to be identified says Toyota asked him to ship overnight a defective engine to its V-8 engine plant in Alabama.

"The guy was towing a small trailer, not under full load," the technician says. "Other folks have been towing 10,000 pounds with no problem."



The postings/recordings on this site are my own, and don’t necessarily represent the positions, strategies or opinions of GM.”
don willems is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the GMC Acadia Forum: AcadiaForum.net forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome