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View Poll Results: Do you think it is worth filing a class action suit to cover timing chains for the life of the vehic
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post #1 of 63 (permalink) Old 02-17-2011, 01:35 PM Thread Starter
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Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

Imagine the value of your $35,000+ vehicle when the general public learns of this issue

Just to clarify; this would NOT BE A RECALL,
it would be LIFETIME COVERAGE of the timing chains - if they fail after 100,000 miles.

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post #2 of 63 (permalink) Old 02-17-2011, 01:40 PM
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Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

There is a Traverse member trying to do the same thing

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Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

I say No, And reason is...
Were talking about GM here!
Now think, do you honestly think you will get anywhere with a law suite unless you pay outta ur a$$ for a lawyer to rep suite?
Its GM, G.M. !
They are way too big to give timing chains any attention.
JMO!
But If anything, I would start a poll as to who has had issues, (lambda timing chains)
and get a huge gigantic list and submit.

Then they might do something about the repairs for people (us) goin forward if the voice is large enough, but as for a full file law suite, IMO waste of time and money.......

again JMO!!

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Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

No on the poll and here's why; the life of the vehicle? They will go out and I have replaced on vehicles that have had 70K plus miles. Should they fix the problem on those that are going out too early? Yes. Are they? Yes. I have not read a rash of denied warranty coverage on this. If they are fixing the problem, what is there to complain about. Too sue happy in this country. In my opinion.

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Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

Voted no.

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Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

also voted no--- Khansens post- is what Im thinking.

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Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

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I say No, And reason is...
Were talking about GM here!
Now think, do you honestly think you will get anywhere with a law suite unless you pay outta ur a$$ for a lawyer to rep suite?
Its GM, G.M. !
They are way too big to give timing chains any attention.
JMO!
But If anything, I would start a poll as to who has had issues, (lambda timing chains)
and get a huge gigantic list and submit.

Then they might do something about the repairs for people (us) goin forward if the voice is large enough, but as for a full file law suite, IMO waste of time and money.......

again JMO!!
If a suit is filed, it really doesn't matter what how big GM is, just matters what a court decides.
Believe me, they will care about timing chains when it's on their dime.


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Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

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No on the poll and here's why; the life of the vehicle? They will go out and I have replaced on vehicles that have had 70K plus miles. Should they fix the problem on those that are going out too early? Yes. Are they? Yes. I have not read a rash of denied warranty coverage on this. If they are fixing the problem, what is there to complain about. Too sue happy in this country. In my opinion.
I voted no for the same reasons khansen expressed. "Life of the vehicle" is way too long. Some might argue that they should be proactive and have a recall to replace all of the "suspect" timing chains, but that's not as nice as some people might think.

First, what is the failure rate? Is it 0.1% of the vehicles or 10%? Makes a big difference in the cost of a recall and the value received (like it or not, a recall is in large part a business decision).

Second, what happens when the chain goes bad? From what I am reading on this board, the engine doesn't get wiped out, so there is noting to be saved by making the repair before it "fails".

Third, why should GM inconvenience a large portion of it's customer base when only a small portion will be affected by this problem (kind of get back to the failure rate question above). Your Acadia is not DOA when the problem surfaces, so people are still scheduling repairs and therefore there is no greater inconvenience to the owner by waiting for failure to make the repair.

Finally, and this is a biggie that no one ever thinks about, every time a GM dealer technician pulls an engine to replace a timing chain, it increases the probability that something else will go wrong as part of the repair. I'm not knocking dealer techs, but every hose connection an wire connection that they have to disconnect and reconnect as part of the repair is another potential failure. Every bolt they have to remove and reinstall is a bolt that can come loose. If the vehicle has made it 10,000+ miles, any assembly issues there might have been have already cropped up. Adding the chance for more assembly-related problems is not something that should be taken lightly. GM probably has enough data that they know roughly what % of timing chain replacements will result in return trips to the dealer for new repair-related problems, so they have an idea what a recall would mean in terms of added customer dissatisfaction.

So..... a recall would cost GM a ton of money. For that spend, they would not make life easier for any of their customer base, but they would inconvenience a lot of them, plus some would be further aggravated by a follow-up repair. This makes a recall a bad idea. As long as GM continues to honor the 5 year/100K power train warranty, I'm not too concerned. It might be nice to bump that up specifically for timing chains on the affected product (maybe 7 year, 150K?), but do we really need a class-action suit for that?

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Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

I think you're missing the point of a class action suit.
It is to cover chains that fail, not replace ALL the timing chains,
again ONLY IF THEY FAIL after warranty.

As happened with my honda element; there was a class action suit
for the windshields, a very common issue.
The class action forced honda to replace and or reimburse money spent to fix
cracked windshields.

The class action suit against GM would not force a recall, it would just force GM to cover timing chain replacement AFTER
the warranty coverage. There would be no recall nor any inconvenience to costumers.
You would just NOT have to pay out of pocket when your warranty is over.

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Re: Class Action Suit for Timing Chains

I'm on your side with this Copperhead, but how many owner's have had failures after warranty? Not many; I could see this being important if chains were failing after warranty, but the numbers don't support this.

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